Episode 23: Gender, Genesis 3 and the Fall

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We’re back at it again! Nick is in the midst of pastoral ministry AND Advent, so that has taken up a lot of his already limited free time. Allison is in the midst of taking over the world, one theological argument at a time. This episode, we tackle Genesis 3 and the notion of the Fall, especially as it relates to male and female relationships. No easy task!

Allison argues (rightly, duh) that

God, the source of life, desires for humankind to live interdependently with each other in worshipful connection to him. This is the picture painted by Genesis 3:16. Gender hierarchy is a result of the fall, when a man and woman who once faced one another as equals become separated from God. Without a savior, their relationship with God and one another will continue to be one of separation.

Thank you for listening, and to our two new patrons!

Nick and Allison

Episode 21: In the Image of God: Gender, Genesis and Creation

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Welp, we’re back! In this episode we tackle complementarian readings of Genesis 1-3, focusing specifically on Gen 1:25-28, 2:15-25 and 3:1-7. We interact with Ray Ortlund’s article in RBMW (Nick gets mildly sassy a few times) as well as Denny Burk’s article in The Gospel Coalition. Needless to say, we found their arguments/ assertions lackluster and unbiblical.

For those who are interested in further resources on this topic, see Marg Mowczko’s excellent and accessible scholarship and Richard Hess’ article on Genesis 1-3 in Discovering Biblical Equality. For those interested in more hermeneutical work, see the articles by Kevin Giles, Jasmine Obeyesekere Fernando, and John Jefferson Davis in Priscilla Papers. As it is clear, we do not believe Genesis provides complementarianism any ground to stand upon, and instead points toward an egalitarian reading that is consistent with all Scripture.

Tune in next time as Nick and Allison discuss the Fall and the impact this event has for our understanding of gender and mutuality!

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Episode 20: Jesus, Coffee & Gender with Dr. Michael F. Bird

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Well we are back! Sort of!

It has been a busy few months with the new job transition for Nick, but thank God we are finally on some sort of schedule. This week we talk with Dr. Michael F. Bird, who is Academic Dean and Lecturer in Theology at Ridley College in Australia about Jesus and his view of gender. Mike is a former complementarian who has recently changed his mind on the bible's view of women and we talk about many things in this episode.

Among these things discussed are Jesus and divorce, coffee, Mike's poor taste in drinks, the genderedness of Jesus and soteriology, the issue of sexism and gender dynamics in the classroom, and so on and so forth. It was lively!

We apologize for the audio quality, as we are still working on figuring out how to properly record people who are technically in the future.

For Mike's books, we recommend his The Gospel of the Lord, Evangelical Theology, and his new commentary on Romans.

We hope you enjoy!

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Episode 18: Junia

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ἀσπάσασθε Ἀνδρόνικον καὶ Ἰουνίαν τοὺς συγγενεῖς μου καὶ συναιχμαλώτους μου, οἵτινές εἰσιν ἐπίσημοι ἐν τοῖς ἀποστόλοις, οἳ καὶ πρὸ ἐμοῦ γέγοναν ἐν Χριστῷ

"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinspeople and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding/prominent among the apostles, and who were in Christ before me."

"Oh how great is the devotion of this woman Junia that she should be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle!” -John Chrysostom, Homily on Romans.

In this episode, Nick and Allison tackle the issue of whether or Junia is a woman or a man, and her status among the Apostles. As we shall see, both the grammar and nature of the language itself supports the standard conclusion that Junia was a woman and was indeed counted among the apostles (contra the ESV and some modern scholars). We also speculate about her role in the early formation of the church of Rome, and Nick suggests some ideas about her status and relationship to a certain Joanna of Luke's Gospel (8:1-3 and 24:9-11).

There are a wealth of resources about this woman. Of specific prominence among them (see what I did there?) are the excellent books by Eldon Jay Epp (Junia: The First Woman Apostle) and Richard Bauckham (Gospel Women). Other commentators that have accepted the fact that Junia is an apostle in Romans 16:7 include James Dunn, Robert Jewett, Ben Witherington, Grant Osborne, Stanley Porter, and Richard Longenecker among others. One can fairly say that this conclusion is essentially the standard view in New Testament evangelical scholarship.

Ben Reynolds has a really good blog post with specific citations that is worth your time if you want to see how all of this flows together. Other New Testament experts like Scot McKnight and The Junia Project and Christians for Biblical Equality have written on the subject. Similarly, see Philip Payne's broad case for women in ministry and Mark Reasoner's explorations of Romans 16 as a whole in Priscilla Papers.

We've also started a PATREON PAGE for those who are interested in helping us!

In Christ,

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Episode 17: Women in and beyond Romans 16

Well it is a new year!

We both hope you all had a happy holiday (or Xmas for those who get mad at the word 'holiday'). Now that Nick has graduated, some interesting life changes have happened and we talk a bit about those events and potential events in this episode. We apologize for the delay, but we think you will understand more once you hear what we have to say.

For an excellent work on women in Romans 16, see the academic work of Mark Reasoner on Romans 16 in general, J. David Miller on the various interpretive options surrounding Phoebe in Romans 16:1-2, Clayton Croy on translational bias in Romans 16, Philip Payne on the equal standing of women in Scripture and on the "titles" of women in Scripture and Robert Hull on the women mentioned in Philippians 4:2-3. For excellent and practical scholarship and wisdom, we commend The Junia Project, Christians for Biblical Equality and Marg Mowczko to you.

If you are interested in learning more about Apphia in Philemon 1:2, see Nick's peer-reviewed article published with Priscilla Papers.

If you like what you hear, please give us an honest five star review on iTunes and follow and connect with both of us on twitter (Nick and Allison)!

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Episode 15: Gender, Glory and Egalitarianism in Romans 1

Boom! In this episode, we tackle a highly debated text - although we do so with a different edge. While we affirm a fairly traditional reading of Romans 1, we come to some interesting conclusions that affect the evangelical gender debate - in a good way!

Nick also eats some gross jelly beans, and Allison sips some fireball whiskey.

Nick will someday avenge his honor and his sweet tooth.

Enjoy!

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Episode 14: Eve Christology: Embodiment, Gender & Salvation

This is a recording of Allison's presentation she gave at Duke Divinity School in mid-August and at the Interdisciplinary Theology Conference in October. Since many of you have inquired about it, we decided to make it a podcast episode for all to enjoy.

Most importantly: will Nick get a good jelly bean or a bad one? You'll have to listen and find out.

Much thanks to those who have taken the time to rate us on iTunes!

So....enjoy!

Also, for those who are interested in a more broadly evangelical conference and theological association, see the Canadian-American Theological Association, where Allison and I are both members, and we both presented papers in October!

To follow us on twitter, see @NickQuient and @AllisonQuient.

Our next episode will center on Romans 1:18-32 and Gender. Should be fun!

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Episode 11: Red Wine, Narrative Hermeneutics, and Women in Luke/Acts

Welcome back!

It has been a while, hasn't it?

In this episode, Nick and Allison discuss the wide-ranging topic of women in Luke/Acts, touching on various elements of the doctrine of God, the Holy Spirit and Pentecost, how we should read narrative, and commenting on the evangelical tendency to downplay narrative in the quest for 'propositional' truths.

Allison also makes Nick (makes, hah!) drink cheap red wine in honor of a certain someone. You can infer who this might be, but we ain't telling.

Resources on the topic are vast, but the best English commentary on Luke is by Joel B. Green of Fuller Theological Seminary. A standout commentary that Nick says he reads for fun. A similarly great volume on the theology of Luke is also by Green.

Resources more relevant to the topic discussed in this episode include Gospel Women: Studies of Women Named in the Gospels by Richard Bauckham as well as his Jesus and the Eyewitnesses, which makes an appearance in this episode. For a killer article, see Nijay Gupta's excellent contribution in Priscilla Papers on Mary and The Double Message by Turid Karlsen Seim.

We hope to see you at the CBE Conference in Orlando! Blessings!

Make sure to give us an honest 5 star review on iTunes! :)

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Episode 8: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, Interpolations and Allison Hates Beer!

Well hello, welcome to our podcast! And blog!

In this episode, we talk about the finer points of textual criticism, church fathers, and the various interpretive issues surrounding 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. We argue that the context and textual problems strongly suggest that these two verses are an interpolation.

Also, because Nick *makes* Allison drink a beer she doesn't like (at all!), Allison threatens Nick with a furious vengeance. You have the power to determine whether or not Nick suffers. Listen and find out how you must do it.

For every 5, Nick eats 1. If this does not make sense, you will need to listen and find out!

Recommended resources this week include Payne's work and Craig S. Keener's chapter in Discovering Biblical Equality. For an excellent short sermon article, see Brandon Waite.

Follow Nick and Allison on twitter, and give us 5 star reviews on iTunes! That is how we become famous and make millions of dollars. Or something.

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Episode 7: Christian Identity and Stories of Sexism

This episode is a bit different.

We get a bit personal.

Well, we also tell jokes and enjoy our time together as always!

This time, Allison and Nick tell us about their egalitarian wedding, including some interesting details that often get left aside. Nick gives us a glimpse into the theology of John Wesley and Allison talks about Paul and Adam for book corner.

Then it is off to the races. Allison gives us a lot of insight into her experiences in seminary as a woman, and offers a lot of practical advice for women struggling in ministry or an academic environment.

Some helpful material from Priscilla Papers is Adam Omelianchuk's article, on "The Logic of Equality." Also worthy of your time is Jeanne William's article on "Christlike Responses to a Hierarchical World: Lessons from Bold Women."

In Christ,

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Episode 6: 1 Corinthians 11:2-16, Beanboozled, Sexuality and "Headship"

Well, this is the first episode of the New Year.

Not much else to say about that, especially given what has happened in the news.

Downer.

Oh well. Anyway.

In this episode, we tackle Paul's most difficult passage, a passage that has kept a lot of Pauline exegetes scratching their heads. Allison coerced Nick into trying a jelly bean or three, and it did not end well. At all. For either of them.

Recommended resources include Philip Payne's article on 1 Corinthians 11:2-16, Alan Padgett's article on the same passage, Heather Gorman's article on 'origin stories,' and Gordon Fee's commentary. It goes without saying that Payne's book is stellar and you should pick that one up.

Follow both Nick and Allison on Twitter! Subscribe to our podcast on iTunes, and give us 5 stars! Please? We can only rise if others share, subscribe and review. If you give us a 5 star review (a 5 star review that is nice and not mean), you get a shout out. Guaranteed. Also, check out Christians for Biblical Equality's conference!

There. I'm good with this.

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Episode 4: Ephesians 5:18-33, Mutual Submission, and the Mystery of Marriage

This one was fun!

Allison and I talked about Ephesians 5:18-33 and how we interpret this passage! Rather than enforcing a hierarchy within marriage, we conclude that marriage is not about men or women having final authority in the relationship, but rather that Paul believed in mutual submission.

Allison walks us through vv.18-24 and the grammar and syntax therein, and Nick concludes the section on vv.25-33 which focuses on husbands. Examining the context is always important and the nature of "imitation of God and Christ" in 5:1-2 forms a foundation on which mutual submission is built.

Subscribe! Share! Follow us in iTunes and Twitter (Nick and Allison). For some excellent work, see Christians for Biblical Equality and the Junia Project as well!

For academic resources, see Philip B. Payne and Cynthia Long Westfall's book, Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle's Vision for Men and Women in Christ.

If you want to help fund Allison's PhD program in Systematic Theology, please consider giving at her Go Fund Me.

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Episode 2: An Egalitarian Reading of 1 Timothy 2:11-15

Well, this is the big one.

In most debates in evangelicalism, this is the proof text where most of the fighting begins.

For further evidence in support of Nick's argument about the conjunction οὐδέ, see Philip B. Payne's article or just buy his book where he spends over 100 pages on 1 Timothy 2. It is worth your time. For a review, see J.W. Wartick (a former complementarian) and Paul D. Adams (who wrote a 34 page review!)--both of whom Nick counts as friends and fellow theology nerds.

This text is indeed complex, but God has given us his word to interpret. Because of this, we have concluded that Paul does not restrict women because of this text. Rather, they are prohibited from domineering or "assuming authority" over another person, and this means no one ought to do these things to another person in the body of Christ.

We hope you enjoy.

For further resources on 1 Tim. 2:12, see Jamin Hübner and Jamin Hübner, and pick up a copy of Cynthia Westfall's stellar work, and Payne's work as well.

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